An interview about the mafia entanglements between the Wikimedia Germany, the German Wikipedia, Wikimedia Foundation and the U.S. within the other participants. Lawyer Günter Freiherr von Gravenreuth from London asks questions. A reply from the IG and his friends Mole. A total of 21 people were involved.
Update: , dear R archive, even if Admin and Wikipolizist Tim " avatar " Bartel wants you to panic. However, whether Mr. Baron Gravenreuth eaten a roast rabbit with Indians, as we have done was outside the scope of the interview. PR ducks flying up we already had. But now to the point: were submitted by Gravenreuth questions: 1) What kind of a position of the German Association WIKIPEDIA?
2) it is only a fan club for the Inc. in the U.S.?
- 3) A fan club as a football club which is also not liable if the association mess of everything, or is this club?
- 4) Did / does this impact on WIKIPEDIA club itself?
- 5) Who is allowed, why make this club in what WIKIPEDIA?
- 6) Only one example of this is the question of who is who and why that barrier right in at WIKIPEDIA. (Contributions to the NPD and the publishing Heinz Heise are known to be revoked.)
- 7) Assigns American Inc. of blocking rights or mixed as the German Wikipedia with club?
- 8) As soon as he is a part, he is not only a fan club, but may be liable - at least as Mitstörer?
- 9) Gravenreuth: With the access, management and enforcement of rights would be the Admins may vicarious agent of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.. What specific services offer admins from Germany?
- added to this FAQ, where Wikipedia is relatively long responses from the many that had seen all the same content. We have thus before a summary response, which is back after re-testing with the team and the IG FvMM reproduced here in the final version.
1) Gravenreuth: What a position, the German WIKIPEDIA club?
FvMM / IG:
First of all, to clarify that there is no "Wikipedia club" there. The association you think it is, according to the official court records Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg to " Wikimedia Germany - Society for the Advancement of Free Knowledge eV" (No. 23 855 Nz.). In the colloquial sense of the association will also briefly called "
Wikimedia Germany eV
. We want to make the moment no information about which license agreements or other contracts to use the protected name "Wikimedia" exist. The Wikimedia Germany eV is represented by § 26 BGB by the entire Board , that means: Kurt Jansson, Arne Klempert, Elisabeth Bauer, Henriette Fiebig, Patrick Danowski, Dirk Franke, Nina Gerlach, Martin Haase, Christian Thiele, Jakob Voss. There is also the Wikimedia Germany eV and a so-called "extended board
" named Mathias Schindler. The related official court records did not match, are sometimes contradictory and the data the imprint are incomplete. And despite several weeks of evidence, including the Lawblog where the board runs a regular service, are to date the information on the http://www.wikimedia.de/impressum/ not been completed.
comes after official figures from the association "Wikimedia Germany eV" outward "neutral and independent" in which supposedly committed to "free knowledge". The inquiry has found, however, that the "Wikimedia Germany eV" in fact very well deep in the Wikipedia database to the Wikimedia system in Holland (EU member) is involved and the "free knowledge" is not very pleasant. For example, numerous members of the "Wikimedia Germany eV" also system operators of the German Wikipedia. This has the result that their own interests "Wikimedia Germany eV" in the form of targeted at the German Wikipedia are introduced. There are numerous lawsuits against the "Wikimedia Germany eV", which are concealed on the German Wikipedia. According to our information there are 52 disputes. Cases part in a "secret" mailing list discussed to which a mole has access to his friends and sometimes
this report. The engineering of the German Wikipedia is the latest in the Tron thing has become very noticeable. Attempts to improve such as third parties, the supposedly neutral entry for "
Wikimedia
" article by they want to bring all the completed and unfinished business disputes for the purpose of a free information in the article, the "Wikimedia Germany eV" immediately with the board members there and tries to cover up information about . For the cover-up the admin rights to such manipulation purposes be abused. The "Wikimedia Germany eV" thus ensures that it is represented in the Wikimedia record as one-sided. Of a "promotion of free knowledge
" - as the association states in his official judicial records - thus may no longer be any question. The association's purpose is not fulfilled even for these reasons. It was also found on the domain management and operating company eG in Frankfurt ( Denic ) that a Mr Arne Klempert both Domain holder and administrative contact for this domain name is WIKIPEDIA.DE. The specified with Denic mailing address of the Arne Klempert with " Wiener Strasse 7, 10999 Berlin " is incorrect. The mailing address of the summons Arne Klempert is "
Friedrich-Ebert-Straße 1 61462 Königstein im Taunus
. Since there are several legal disputes, is suspected as a motive, that the misrepresentation with Denic will lead to deport as many legal disputes by Arne Klempert to the "Wikimedia Germany eV" - while simultaneously Klempert would remain in possession of the domain name. Arne Klempert is as relevant in the scene domain trader. We Arne Klempert, a board member of Wikimedia Germany eV, a trap and are able to track that exists between Arne Klempert and " BooCompany " a connection. Klempert distributed content both in the Commons, and in the Wikimedia Germany eV, while still in the BooCompany. The "BooCompany" in turn consists of many contributing journalists who are known for large daily newspapers and online magazines full-time employees. It could also be noted that there are "oral" orders from publishers that these particular editors are simultaneously involved in the Wikipedia and Wikinews, so for more readers and thus for more " ; Hits to make. " The ranking produced by indirectly increases with the setting up hyperlinks to publishers play a role in this approach. There are the "ok" by Arne Klempert. Overall, this leads to additional financial revenues of the publishers and editors involved in the BooCompany.
The BooCompany are as Domain owner a Mr. Robert D. Macao, WTC 9th Floor Apt. 12 / 4 in Panama Panama 225-11111 PA "on. An auxiliary man from Panama was recheriert site in Panama to the domain owner. The report shows that there is no "Robert D. Macao, WTC 9th Floor Apt. 12 / 4 in Panama Panama 225-11111 PA "to the domain name is the BooCompany. The information on the domain name are incorrect will equally . The structured approach to network and BooCompany is with the Wikimedia Germany eV and almost identical in many respects extremely striking the same, so that accidents are excluded. It is also the mailing address of the German Boocompany and Super Company with a "Betty Hoss, Torstrasse 23 in 10119 Berlin" doubtful. This designed by man network entanglements lead to the result that many press reports are distorted and misrepresented in many ways. This means that manipulated Wikipedia decisive influence with the press, the public power. In the Tron thing that is busted. The European Court of Justice would decide in view of current EU laws: Lies have short legs, even when the press writes it otherwise manipulated.
2) Gravenreuth: Is he only a fan club for the Inc. in the U.S.?
FvMM / IG:
Absolutely not.
3) Gravenreuth: A fan club as a football club which is also not liable if the association mess of everything, or is this club?
FvMM / IG:
The current status of the investigation is that it deals with the "Wikimedia Germany eV" mainly is just a camouflage. Behind this are quite clear financial and commercial interests. What impressed us was that the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. in St. Petersburg, Florida (USA) of which He has become aware of these machinations Jimmy Wales condoned. From another research shows the same time that the Wikimedia Foundation, missing several hundreds of thousands of U.S. dollars. Golem, for example, reported on . It can not be excluded that additional motives for the manipulation of the German Wikipedia can be found. To answer your question
with the example of football club: There are on the Wikipedia 190 actors who pretend to be 190 Franz Beckenbauer and claim they are all in Kitzbühel. In their own rights violations should be then please contact the real Franz Beckenbauer in Kitzbühel . Contact Does the real Franz Beckenbauer, then a warning, ask the other 190 actor: "Yes, today is Christmas scho"
4) Gravenreuth: Did / does this impact on society itself WIKIPEDIA ?
FvMM / IG:
Yes, that is verifiable and part of which was published in the Insider blog.
5) Gravenreuth: Who is allowed, why make this club in what WIKIPEDIA?
FvMM / IG:
from investigation tactical reasons, we can do this yet no full with information. If you nachrecherieren the names of board members and the club members, come sooner or later that parts of them also are members of the Chaos Computer Club eV in Berlin at the same time. Examples: Henriette Fiebig is a board member of Wikimedia Germany eV and a member of the CCC eV same time, it is also a service provider of the German Wikipedia.
Mathias Schindler is a member of the extended board of Wikimedia Germany eV and a member of the CCC eV, while service providers under the German Wikipedia. And here's the best example:
Arne Klempert is a board member of Wikimedia Germany eV and as a private individual owner of the domain name WIKIPEDIA.DE. He is also a member of the BooCompany and at the same time service providers under the German Wikipedia.
This way, you go once
all 190 service provider
by the German Wikipedia, as have the Friends of the mole already done. And please keep in your subconscious and the Law against Unfair Competition (UWG).
6) Gravenreuth: Only one example of this is the question of who is who and why that barrier right in at WIKIPEDIA. (Contributions to the NPD Heinz Heise publishing house and are known to be blocked)
FvMM / IG.
According to the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., in Florida (USA) have the situation as at 11.02.2006 a total of 190 people found this special access, management and enforcement of rights to content from the German Wikipedia. There are the Outing list related to the
http://wikipolizei.blogspot.com/
. These 190 people are independent system operators, and have these special rights of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. obtained. The majority of jurists is in the opinion that in these 190 systems operators - just because they own, go it alone and self-critically on their access, management and enforcement of rights of use - each individual is in itself a separate service provider. However, most of the legal requirements refuse to § 6 TDG and § 10 MdStV to follow and does not satisfy the information requirements to their individual users' pages. This identity disguising a legal vacuum for illegal actions on the Wikipedia is simulated. The illegal use in the case of Tron was just the tip of the iceberg, for example, about the European data protection law. The fact that the article on the Heise publishing house is locked, should womöglicherweise a rather simple reason that: a journalist who is employed by the Heise publishing house, is also an administrator at the German Wikipedia. Target the most positive representation of this company and their own corresponding entries and the "competitors" is to be monitored. Furthermore, they receive support from the scene of the "Stop1984" monitoring group. In one of the Heise-Forum News the issue was already addressed. Part of this criticism has been deleted from the Heise-Forum. Other parts are in turn still online. In principle, regardless of the Heisenberg case, the trend is clearly definable Sun: "distortion of competition by Wikipedia", just as the new CD / DVD via Zenedot-Verlag is to come on the market (
"WP 1.0: Wikipedia in 100 volumes, which will Zenodot German Wikipedia
printing on 80,000 pages
"
the same time according to a study exist as
1 million misspelling
). These arguments of the commercial background intentions are currently not dismissed out of hand. In a small book or novelette about Wikipedia with 50 pages could have been even turn a blind eye. Here but it goes to 80,000 pages in 100 volumes per reader. Millions of dollars, if that should be enough at all. Adding also the added Zusatzeinnamen other companies and publishers, are likely to go the total sales in the range of billions of dollars.
7) Gravenreuth: Assigns American Inc. of blocking rights or mixed as the German Wikipedia with club?
FvMM / IG:
Both. The American Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. presents this access, administration and enforcement of these rights 190 German service provider for the German Wikipedia. Not all of these 190 people, many of which are simultaneously board members and regular members organize the "Wikimedia Germany eV" The choice of administrators, the relevant people themselves make this known each other for their own candidate, vote (of course) of choice for Admin status and you have a choice run. Subsequently, the election result of "a" (meaning: one's own) Admin to the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. reported. Via so-called German bureaucrats with German residence and stewards will be the technical database changes to the user name changed and you are the special access, management and enforcement rights active.
However, we have also noted that there has been "awarded" in at least 8 cases admin rights, without ever held a proper election Admin. They work on admin internal displacements of so-called "empty" Admin account. Busted is the whole, than in the middle of a shift in a general software error has occurred and the Commons so as to "strange" overlaps in the data base check came. In like we are still in a separate report and this blog entry with photos vividly demonstrate how the database cracker abuse of Wikipedia. Another abuse of admin rights are the so-called sock puppet accounts, that the possession and the assignment of several admin accounts to a single person. The official number, it would be with the 190 service provider as 190 different people, is no longer credible. There are both much less people, because some of them have multiple admin accounts. But on the other hand, is to also include the estimated number of illegal Admin accounts for complementary domestic integrated unauthorized persons. For the rules on the TDG and MdStV this should have no influence. Are you one way or the imprint of charge as a service provider. Sooner or later, the cards have on the table.
8) Gravenreuth: As soon as he is a part, he is not only a fan club, but may also be liable - at least as Mitstörer.
FvMM / IG:
would be after a very scientific investigation is not such a generalization dismissed as simple like that. Doubt, Mitstörung as such do not exist on the whole. For this purpose, the supreme court in Germany are very unique. Problems but it could be in pursuit of the right and the proper Mitstörer Beweispflichtigkeit that the prosecution will be imposed on a regular basis. In an "internal" mailing list on Wikipedia are this particular Klimke Alexander - who was appointed on Stammtisch visits to the admin - and Mathias Schindler - of the enlarged Bureau of the Wikimedia heard - How about in the following manner presented: "silent as the grave accusations and let the other side prove it, where as non-admin does not have access to the crucial evidence added. In the worst case, it is also sufficient to simply deny the user name. "
Any legal action will initially be as a non admin, in fact, before a legal problem. It lacks the IP numbers. It lacks the data to the email addresses. It therefore can not properly an infringement may be proved, and the log files are located in the United States. We want the reference to two examples from practice:
a)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Günter_Freiherr_von_Gravenreuth
"He also writes to this day frequently Article in forums, especially in the Heise Forum. His account was used there on 22 Closed in December 2004. Since the law has not adhered to this barrier, the Heise Verlag had brought in the meantime an injunction before the Regional Court of Munich. Under this procedure, Baron Gravenreuth against the Heise publishing the notice of the contract recognized and given a cease and desist letter for the record. "
Assuming that the cease and desist issued a penalty has been signed, would be in such content, these penalty payable immediately. The false assertion of fact particularly the emphasis on "today" (2/11/2006) is the result context: "He also writes frequently to this day the article 02/11/2006 [..] in the Heise Forum." even though the injunction proceedings ld longest completed. One can not be at Heise-Forum locked and simultaneously write it again "to this day" article in Heise Forum. Either it is day or night. Several details need not be explained in large. At stake is the Mitstörerhaftung and the question to be addressed, who is liable for this.
Only with much effort and patience can the traces left of the responsible Mitstörer trace of the history. For example: Who has this entry " He also writes frequently to this day" written? Who has improved the formulation and brought on the current (and correct) stand? Who reverse these changes and thus the illegal content as its own? For an outsider a lot of work. For an insider's play observed. For an admin, however, also play easily destructible.
b)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_ (Hacker) and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Tron_ (Hacker)
FvMM / IG: This case goes to the post-mortem personality right in favor of Tron and the accompanying human dignity. As Tron has a unique family name in Germany, he is also with all the family members easily identifiable. Tron's intention with his pseudonym Tron is no accident, for he wanted to protect his family. This specific case does so also in the personality and self-determination rights of family members. For this purpose there it by the ECJ case law, which also was discussed here in this blog with the criminal acts Mrs L. .
Even here in the Tron thing can be nachrecheriert who is responsible for what purpose and when this happened. The advantage of the situation took a the 190 service provider as admin, Alexander Klimke, abused the access and delete rights, and secretly destroyed important evidence in the history. Since 2 February officially nothing is known of who can be held liable as Mitstörer all in recent weeks and months. Officially. The emphasis is officially unofficially as were the friends of the mole faster and important evidence have archived for Mitstörerhaftung. On the other hand, the abuse has made Alexander Klimke the content our own and this could be held liable.
9) Gravenreuth: With the access, management and enforcement of rights would be the Admins may vicarious agent of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.. What specific services offer admins from Germany?
FvMM / IG:
For example, the services for the management and maintenance of the introduced third-party content as defined as a self-service services (TDG). The Wikimedia Foundation has absolutely nothing to do. The provision of service does each of the 190 administrators independently for themselves. The Wikimedia Foundation has done so only slightly, because, as a domain owner for the service and access this content via Holland (EU member) and ensures there
likewise, the technology provides, see also Photos here. Hence for wikipedia.org the Wikimedia Foundation, § 9 of the TDG follows: § 9 TDG "transmission of information" (1) services provider for other information they submit in a communication network, or to which they provide access to not be responsible if it first the transmission does not induced, second
the receiver of the transmission and not selected third
the information have not been selected or modified.
This sentence 1 shall not apply if the service provider deliberately
working with one of the recipients of his service in order to commit unlawful acts. "
If you today from the Sweep up voluntarily in the pedestrian zone in Munich, by skipping embark on a disk or build other crap, this is not the city of Munich is responsible and must pay the claim only because the pedestrian zone extended through Munich running. You are the street sweepers. It is your service to provide services. For selbstverzapften crap just want to you to. But should the city of Munich have knowledge of what you are doing in their district, they can intervene and prohibit you tolerate this or that in spite of knowledge. A completely different set of circumstances would be if you have employment employed as street sweepers in the city of Munich. Between the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., and the 190 service provider in any case, there is no contractual relationship.
Tip: Watch this simply continue Insider blog. There is also material for the book "Revelation 23" by an anonymous author, who finished, the family of Tron viciously. We know the meantime, whoever it is ...
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